Some humour I had on PoR :D
Some humour I had on PoR :D
By which reason do these (scholars) interpret the same words in Upanishads as spiritual and Vedas as mythical mucks? That's bigotry.. just a work of "scholastic excellence".. :D !!!!
Kudos to the great minds!
Case study
For example, consider these lines, and let us discuss how the various interpreters could have done :
"The Ruler, my Lord, radiates out bright
Amidst others, the Moon in night;
He is a bull in fight, a lion in might.
Far reaches his light, A great sage in sight"
(c) Lord Indra, 2015.
Actual context
This is a poem written for a king, compared to a moon bright among the stars of the sky, a bull in vigour and power, a lion for his might, a light source for his light of kindness and benevolence, a great sage as far as his vision is considered. Such a Ruler Lord is none other than God.
Brahmanical passage :
Therefore the sacrificer praises his king, as ruler (so that his ruling power is increased), a Lord (since his lordship is to be affirmed).
The king is praised as a moon in night, for Soma the moon is to be satisfied.
Once Indra to overcome Asuras, assumed a form of bull, and won the fight. ever since, bull in fight is for Indra.
The lion in might should be stressed, for lion is the king of animals, and this gives fury to the king. During these praises, a bull is to be offered and a lion is to be offered, for verily, the sacrificer obtains might and success in fight. The next verses are to be accompanied by sprinkling the water to four directions, whereby the king obtains his light of power in all directions. The last epithet should be chanted by touching the king's eyes with water so that his sight is improved.
Early Upanishads
The sole Ruler of the Self encompassed all over radiates its light of knowledge and love all over. As a moon in night, O student, the Ruler of soul shines over the innumerable twinkling souls of the world. Bull symbolises strength, the knowledge of God thus rules over and fights the darkness of ignorance in our minds for us. Far reaching is his light rays.
As a great sage in vision, the knowledge of god helps us to know the present past and future.
Sayana
Sun is the sole ruler of all the earth. Here, sun is eulogised so that the sacrificer obtains great powers of the sun. this is described in Brahmanic passage....(story in Brahmanas)...
This means that Indra and soma are praised too. The vigour of Indra and light of soma are well known since ancient times. The sacrificer, through sacrificing these animals mentioned, obtains the radiant light of the Sun, and the heaven where Indra and others dwell.
Max Muller
This is a praise for a solar god. This seems to be a part of seasonal sacrifice, though Brahmanas do not mention them. The sun is eulogised by Aryans, to obtain different fruits as mentioned by Sayana. The intermediate lines show the bull cult and the narasimha origin. Animal worship was practised along with Sun worship
wendy Doniger
This is a poem that I adore simply... The moon in night should be an indicator that kings had usually many wifes.. the women are usually seen as small compared to the lustrous man.
As moon in each day approaches a particular constellation, the king approaches his woman.
The bull symbolises fertility as in other IE cultures, and the fight reminds the rival wives of the king. The lion is the alpha male, so he is always praised in Vedas.
The last lines show the sun's (another alpha male of the skies) qualities being introduced.
The great sage in sight reminds us of the condition of sages in those times, who slept with a no. of women. Hinduism is the only religion I adore, because it displays openly these feelings...
Thanks to +KIRON KRISHNAN for a similar dialogue that inspired me to write this... :)
And, as usual, Sajjeev Antony for his great question that inspired this talk now.
By which reason do these (scholars) interpret the same words in Upanishads as spiritual and Vedas as mythical mucks? That's bigotry.. just a work of "scholastic excellence".. :D !!!!
Kudos to the great minds!
Case study
For example, consider these lines, and let us discuss how the various interpreters could have done :
"The Ruler, my Lord, radiates out bright
Amidst others, the Moon in night;
He is a bull in fight, a lion in might.
Far reaches his light, A great sage in sight"
(c) Lord Indra, 2015.
Actual context
This is a poem written for a king, compared to a moon bright among the stars of the sky, a bull in vigour and power, a lion for his might, a light source for his light of kindness and benevolence, a great sage as far as his vision is considered. Such a Ruler Lord is none other than God.
Brahmanical passage :
Therefore the sacrificer praises his king, as ruler (so that his ruling power is increased), a Lord (since his lordship is to be affirmed).
The king is praised as a moon in night, for Soma the moon is to be satisfied.
Once Indra to overcome Asuras, assumed a form of bull, and won the fight. ever since, bull in fight is for Indra.
The lion in might should be stressed, for lion is the king of animals, and this gives fury to the king. During these praises, a bull is to be offered and a lion is to be offered, for verily, the sacrificer obtains might and success in fight. The next verses are to be accompanied by sprinkling the water to four directions, whereby the king obtains his light of power in all directions. The last epithet should be chanted by touching the king's eyes with water so that his sight is improved.
Early Upanishads
The sole Ruler of the Self encompassed all over radiates its light of knowledge and love all over. As a moon in night, O student, the Ruler of soul shines over the innumerable twinkling souls of the world. Bull symbolises strength, the knowledge of God thus rules over and fights the darkness of ignorance in our minds for us. Far reaching is his light rays.
As a great sage in vision, the knowledge of god helps us to know the present past and future.
Sayana
Sun is the sole ruler of all the earth. Here, sun is eulogised so that the sacrificer obtains great powers of the sun. this is described in Brahmanic passage....(story in Brahmanas)...
This means that Indra and soma are praised too. The vigour of Indra and light of soma are well known since ancient times. The sacrificer, through sacrificing these animals mentioned, obtains the radiant light of the Sun, and the heaven where Indra and others dwell.
Max Muller
This is a praise for a solar god. This seems to be a part of seasonal sacrifice, though Brahmanas do not mention them. The sun is eulogised by Aryans, to obtain different fruits as mentioned by Sayana. The intermediate lines show the bull cult and the narasimha origin. Animal worship was practised along with Sun worship
wendy Doniger
This is a poem that I adore simply... The moon in night should be an indicator that kings had usually many wifes.. the women are usually seen as small compared to the lustrous man.
As moon in each day approaches a particular constellation, the king approaches his woman.
The bull symbolises fertility as in other IE cultures, and the fight reminds the rival wives of the king. The lion is the alpha male, so he is always praised in Vedas.
The last lines show the sun's (another alpha male of the skies) qualities being introduced.
The great sage in sight reminds us of the condition of sages in those times, who slept with a no. of women. Hinduism is the only religion I adore, because it displays openly these feelings...
Thanks to +KIRON KRISHNAN for a similar dialogue that inspired me to write this... :)
And, as usual, Sajjeev Antony for his great question that inspired this talk now.
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