Do we really have a free will ?? I doubt so because, everything falls under the laws of physics isnt it ?
Do we really have a free will ?? I doubt so because, everything falls under the laws of physics isnt it ?
Suppose there are one Na(Sodium) atom and one H(Hydrogen) atom and one Cl(Chroline) atom freely romaing in a space where
assume there is no gravity to influence them, and say Na atom is mile away and H atom is just a meter away,
H atom is likely to get attracted towards Cl atom and produce a HCl molecule than NaCl, so we dont call it H is lucky or Na is unlucy,
its the law that had made it like that. At big bang there were trillions and trillions of atoms that were thrown with
great velocities and the physicals laws has made this world what we see. If I am 5feet long, yes coz of the food I intake,
had I been in Moon where gravity is 6times less, I would be 30feet long. So if I build a super duper computer which can
say which atom will interact with which atom after 10 minutes with the univeral laws programed to it, it will tell you,
u cant say its predicting the future, it is what that is supposed to happen. A thought is a brain activiy, which is an
electical impulse, so even that falls under universal law isnt it ? So If I am wring this on google plus, the energy that
I am putting to type keys on my keybord has been destined, an electron from your UPS was supposed to travel to ur CPU,
then to your LED computer and from there convert into a photon and then hit your retina and that enerty converting into
a thought in your mind is also destined, Nothing is actually free will which we think we have. I dont think so.
So that physical law determines everything that cant be voilated, the electron which existed when big bang happened
travelled all way along, became a part of a molecule which was happened to be a part of an apple which when you ate again
broke up and went up to make a different molecule and gave some energy to you. Sounds interesing to me, tell
me am I wrong in any thought or something ??
Suppose there are one Na(Sodium) atom and one H(Hydrogen) atom and one Cl(Chroline) atom freely romaing in a space where
assume there is no gravity to influence them, and say Na atom is mile away and H atom is just a meter away,
H atom is likely to get attracted towards Cl atom and produce a HCl molecule than NaCl, so we dont call it H is lucky or Na is unlucy,
its the law that had made it like that. At big bang there were trillions and trillions of atoms that were thrown with
great velocities and the physicals laws has made this world what we see. If I am 5feet long, yes coz of the food I intake,
had I been in Moon where gravity is 6times less, I would be 30feet long. So if I build a super duper computer which can
say which atom will interact with which atom after 10 minutes with the univeral laws programed to it, it will tell you,
u cant say its predicting the future, it is what that is supposed to happen. A thought is a brain activiy, which is an
electical impulse, so even that falls under universal law isnt it ? So If I am wring this on google plus, the energy that
I am putting to type keys on my keybord has been destined, an electron from your UPS was supposed to travel to ur CPU,
then to your LED computer and from there convert into a photon and then hit your retina and that enerty converting into
a thought in your mind is also destined, Nothing is actually free will which we think we have. I dont think so.
So that physical law determines everything that cant be voilated, the electron which existed when big bang happened
travelled all way along, became a part of a molecule which was happened to be a part of an apple which when you ate again
broke up and went up to make a different molecule and gave some energy to you. Sounds interesing to me, tell
me am I wrong in any thought or something ??
Hinduism and Sanatana Dharma, Vaidika does not embrace Free Will in terms of the Grecian or Christian teachings, nor does it embrace predestination as in Calvinism or determinism that has been largely influenced by a mixture of Grecian and Christianity. So I would suggest that one must define the parameters that they are referring to first in regards to free will and determinism. Determinism is a difficult fit with Nirguna Brahman, and the anthropomorphism with Saguna Brahman is more a projection from mankind rather than the reality of the devas. Likewise your question begins with 'we', who is 'we' are you referring to Purusha, paratman, atman, jiva, mahat, ahamkara, manas?
ReplyDeleteThanks for the reply, well coming to your point we I meant by jiva, can you please elaborate on your statement when you said we need parameters in regards to free will and determinism? I couldn't articulate this completely. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteI have an article on Free Will but it is not currently up on our website. But for a quick answer, one operating from the standpoint of manas and/or ahamkara would not have free will as they are not free of the influence of samskaras, karma and similar forces, at the level of buddhi one is still under the influence of the same forces but not the extent of the previous two levels of the mind. Once one has reached the level of Mahat they are less influenced by these forces but not free. So from a yogic view one can only experience 'free will' from the standpoint of enlightenment. It is at this point one is free from these subconscious influencing factors. Svachchanda is commonly translated as 'Free Will' but is better translated as 'Free Being' and is commonly a reference to the devas as opposed to just free will. One can examine determinism through Wikipedia or similar source. But many of these terms do not merge well with Hinduism as they are frequently a mixture of Christianity and Greek cultures. Hinduism is considerably more complex in its understanding of Divinity than most religions. Even Swami Vivekananda did not agree with the western views of free will and determinism. So you are correct in your analysis that there is no 'Free Will' but you may be still formulating your argument for this position. Hope this helps, possibly others will contribute to this thread as well.
ReplyDeleteThe idea of free will is an illusion as we are all conditioned to think, respond and behave in certain way by our parents, growing circumstances, our own ideas, teachers, society, etc. - also why we are born in a certain place instead of another place, say why not Afganistan and why India - and why this particular time - so there are certain things that control these things - call it by any name (poorva karma, samskaara, etc.) it has an effect. So absolute free will only a jnaani can have (he/she will also not have as there is no will for them).
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