All these words like Aryan invasion, Indus civilisation, Mohanjadharo settlements, etc.
All these words like Aryan invasion, Indus civilisation, Mohanjadharo settlements, etc. don't mean much to me. There is nothing called Indus valley civilization or Aryans or some isolated mohanjadaro settlements. Also there was nothing called Hindu. I would rather look at the excavations of Dwaraka more seriously than anything else.
People were not just living near river Sindhu (Indus) - they were all around in Assam, Combodia, Kasi, Gandhara, Persia, Dwaraka and around Narmada, Saraswati, Ganga, Yamuna, Godhavari rivers and even in south of India - Chera kings from Tamil nadu have supplied Rice during Mahabharata war - for all these proof is in Mahabharata - which and our ancestors are the ones I trust - It is easy to trust the source of Mahabharata than any western historian as the intention is not to occupy our lands and rule us. More over Mahabharata is history (itihasa means iti-like this, iha-here, aasa-happened) and first-hand witness of Maharishi Vyasa.
Veda was just One (along with its 6 limbs also as one) in previous Yuga - DWAPARA YUGA.Veda and Samskritam both are Anaadi which means no beginning - time immemorial even during Ramayana Mahabharata periods. Samskritam language has 2 branches - Vaidika and Laukika - Vedic and Worldly. So no timeline for these things even for creation or world or universe etc. I don't buy the Big-bang stuff or Adam-Eve stuff, because there can't be just one big-bang. Read Swami Vivekanada's Macrocosm-Microcosm, etc. or the in one of recent postings of an essay from Sri.Rajiv Malhotra on Swamiji's Scientific viewpoints.
Archeological evidences are today available for Dwaraka, Saraswati river, and astronomical calendar based evidences are there for Mahabharata war. As our objective /material science improves we will get more and more evidence, and will be able to prove many things. But before that let us not spread the false propaganda used then by British to rule over us physically and psychologically - now there are not using that - but we still have not got out of the imperial mentality. Our historians are referring the theories of Max Mullar (Aryan Invasion) and make current and future generations as total idiots - which in his later part of life Max Mullar himself said what he said earlier was wrong.
I'm not sure how many are reading the postings seriously!. Also just because more people are having an opinion, that won't be true. When the entire western world was believing World was the center of the solar and when a scientist 5 centuries back said - No Sun was the center of the solar system - what happened to that scientist, we all know. That time or even before itself in our temples in Navagraha pratishta - Sun was in the center and the planets were circling the Sun.
People were not just living near river Sindhu (Indus) - they were all around in Assam, Combodia, Kasi, Gandhara, Persia, Dwaraka and around Narmada, Saraswati, Ganga, Yamuna, Godhavari rivers and even in south of India - Chera kings from Tamil nadu have supplied Rice during Mahabharata war - for all these proof is in Mahabharata - which and our ancestors are the ones I trust - It is easy to trust the source of Mahabharata than any western historian as the intention is not to occupy our lands and rule us. More over Mahabharata is history (itihasa means iti-like this, iha-here, aasa-happened) and first-hand witness of Maharishi Vyasa.
Veda was just One (along with its 6 limbs also as one) in previous Yuga - DWAPARA YUGA.Veda and Samskritam both are Anaadi which means no beginning - time immemorial even during Ramayana Mahabharata periods. Samskritam language has 2 branches - Vaidika and Laukika - Vedic and Worldly. So no timeline for these things even for creation or world or universe etc. I don't buy the Big-bang stuff or Adam-Eve stuff, because there can't be just one big-bang. Read Swami Vivekanada's Macrocosm-Microcosm, etc. or the in one of recent postings of an essay from Sri.Rajiv Malhotra on Swamiji's Scientific viewpoints.
Archeological evidences are today available for Dwaraka, Saraswati river, and astronomical calendar based evidences are there for Mahabharata war. As our objective /material science improves we will get more and more evidence, and will be able to prove many things. But before that let us not spread the false propaganda used then by British to rule over us physically and psychologically - now there are not using that - but we still have not got out of the imperial mentality. Our historians are referring the theories of Max Mullar (Aryan Invasion) and make current and future generations as total idiots - which in his later part of life Max Mullar himself said what he said earlier was wrong.
I'm not sure how many are reading the postings seriously!. Also just because more people are having an opinion, that won't be true. When the entire western world was believing World was the center of the solar and when a scientist 5 centuries back said - No Sun was the center of the solar system - what happened to that scientist, we all know. That time or even before itself in our temples in Navagraha pratishta - Sun was in the center and the planets were circling the Sun.
One may ask what about Rahu and Ketu - mordern scientific explanations are there for that also. Not just Indian even Chinese astrology refers that as Dragon's head and Tail - these are Lunar nodes - more info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_node
ReplyDeleteEven more information is available but thats not necessary at this time.
oh I read seriously!
ReplyDeleteI take it seriously too.
ReplyDeleteMe too and I agree with you views too.
ReplyDeleteThe excavations of Dwarka and the discovery of the course of Saraswati river through satellite images did give a fatal blow to the Aryan invasion theory, which now more clearly seems to be either false or just a speculation with serious errors.
ReplyDeleteI would respectfully disagree to the extent that the excavations of what is commonly referred to as the Indus valley were essential in questioning and debunking the Aryan invasion theory, and will be important in debunking the Aryan migration theory as well. While it is easy to dismiss these, the reality is that they continue to be embraced by academia and influence future generations of scholars, as was noted in the post. As it was also pointed out in the post that Max Muller started a great deal of the problem. Likewise study of these geographical areas and creating a total picture is essential in refuting biased and incorrect information about India. This is essential in correcting the Dravidian and Vedic divide that has become common place within India due to the propagation of false information. Likewise, understanding and a breakthrough in the "Indus script" is important and needed to undermine the entire "indu-european" language group, which is based on the same false speculation and 'bad' science as the AIT. If the Indus script can be proven to be related to, a variation of, precursor to etc. to Sanskrit this will definitely end a great deal of poor speculation on the part of western academia. Likewise, the recognition of the Vedic homeland has its place within Indian history just as Dwarka does. It is likely that the Vedic homeland extended far beyond the boundaries of what is commonly known as India today, understanding how expansive the Vedic civilization was is important, in my opinion. Likewise, I see Mohenjodaro as important as it provides powerful insight into the possibly of the Vedic Civilization being more sea oriented than is commonly accepted by scholars, which fits more with the term 'samudra' within the Vedas as well as one of the roles of Varuna being associated with sea. While one might argue this would be a celestial ocean, which would be correct, it is highly probable that it would be the physical ocean as well. Likewise, I see the influence of the Vedic Civilization moving out into the world, as opposed to moving into the Vedic area. Which in my opinion is quite important.
ReplyDeleteTo Sri Yogi Baba Prem varya, my objection is about an isolated reference to Mohanjadaro or Harappa settlement, instead of an integrated country point of view. If a group of people living in one area with in the next 100 miles if another mighty river was flowing then what prevents them from going there also. If one looks at the 300 year old physical map or reads history one will understand that the entire northern part of the India was rich /fertile and full of rivers and water ways. South India was even better. 3000-4000 years back the conditions must have been atleast same if not better. So people could have been living all over India. So scientifically it is unwise to say that people were only living in Mohanjadaro or living only around Indus river, etc.
ReplyDeleteNamaskar Krishnamurthi, I would concur with your point that people were living in a broad area. Wishing you a joyous day!
ReplyDeleteWow what a conversation I have missed. Thanks to Krishnamurthi CG to opening up the floor. Only now, recently I have this kind of reckoning that has occurred to me that you have mentioned. Our mistake is multi-folded., first we made up in our mind that our scriptures have no value as taught by our academia. Where does our academics (even now) teach us about our vedas (except in sanskrit). secondly, we moved to a reasoning phase in everything. Our parents could not satisfy our reasoning which could have been better in our understanding of our past knowledge. We have neglected our chains just because they could not explain the meaning of vedas/rituals which we observe today. None of us took the liberty of learning the meaning themselves because there lies before us the teachings of other civilizations which are ready to academics. Who will take the pain in identifying our culture and teach them? Who has time? Thirdly, about Indus valley civilization/dwaraka. What is the significance of materials/evidence of remains of a long forgotten civilization if we forgot about the teachings which has spread from it, which is even prevalent now.
ReplyDeleteAnd most importantly we should stop listening to what others say about us, but we should be starting to investigate what we were and how we are like this, from our own experiences. This trend unless it starts, there will be no takers for our vedic past (which in no way relates to any rituals or being hindu).
As per me every being in this world is a hindu (as per our scriptures). There is umpteen number of ways to live in this free world. Hinduism is a culture/way of living rather than a name which will be referred to in any application forms or for labeling a particular section of the society.
We should stop learning about dating our texts/forefathers but start learning seriously about what their teachings were.
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